Exterminationism - Revision history

Callafangers at 23:24, 16 January 2025

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	:: '''Resettlement''': Many Jews were deported to the Soviet Union or other eastern territories (behind the 'Iron Curtain'), with significant numbers likely surviving the war.		:: '''Resettlement''': Many Jews were deported to the Soviet Union or other eastern territories (behind the 'Iron Curtain'), with significant numbers likely surviving the war.

	:: '''Double Counting and Migration''': ~~There's an assertion that many~~ Jews ~~might~~ have been double-counted or migrated, contributing to the perception of a population drop in occupied territories.		:: '''Double Counting and Migration''': Many Jews may have been double-counted or migrated, contributing to the perception of a population drop in occupied territories.

	:: '''Loss and Dispersion''': Many Jews indeed "lost" family members due to various causes of death both during and after the war, with others scattering into several dozen countries post-war, permanently losing contact and frequently assuming mutual 'extermination'.		:: '''Loss and Dispersion''': Many Jews indeed "lost" family members due to various causes of death both during and after the war, with others scattering into several dozen countries post-war, permanently losing contact and frequently assuming mutual 'extermination'.

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	: '''Missing Jews''': While the exterminationist narrative posits millions of Jews were killed, revisionists highlight the significant number of Jews who reappeared post-war, challenging the narrative of mass extermination through gas chambers or other collective means of murder. They argue this population discrepancy must be accounted for, suggesting:		: '''Missing Jews''': While the exterminationist narrative posits millions of Jews were killed, revisionists highlight the significant number of Jews who reappeared post-war, challenging the narrative of mass extermination through gas chambers or other collective means of murder. They argue this population discrepancy must be accounted for, suggesting:

	:: '''Resettlement''': Many Jews were deported to the Soviet Union or other eastern territories, with significant numbers surviving the war.		:: '''Resettlement''': Many Jews were deported to the Soviet Union or other eastern territories (behind the 'Iron Curtain'), with significant numbers likely surviving the war.

	:: '''Double Counting and Migration''': There's an assertion that many Jews might have been double-counted or migrated, contributing to the perception of a population drop in occupied territories.		:: '''Double Counting and Migration''': There's an assertion that many Jews might have been double-counted or migrated, contributing to the perception of a population drop in occupied territories.

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	: '''Documentary Misuse''': Documents like the Wannsee Protocol and Luther's memo are interpreted by exterminationists as evidence of a systematic extermination plan, while revisionists argue these documents discuss resettlement and should not be interpreted as euphemisms for extermination without credible evidence for this claim.		: '''Documentary Misuse''': Documents like the Wannsee Protocol and Luther's memo are interpreted by exterminationists as evidence of a systematic extermination plan, while revisionists argue these documents discuss resettlement and should not be interpreted as euphemisms for extermination without credible evidence for this claim.

	: '''Source Criticism''': Revisionists highlight the absence of any direct orders or detailed plans outlining a systematic extermination program from German archives, arguing that alleged euphemisms or indirect references are unsupported and do not constitute credible evidence of genocide.

	: '''Lack of Direct Orders or Plans''': Revisionists highlight the absence of any direct orders or detailed plans outlining a systematic extermination program from German archives, arguing that alleged euphemisms or indirect references are unsupported and, thus, do not constitute evidence of genocide.		: '''Lack of Direct Orders or Plans''': Revisionists highlight the absence of any direct orders or detailed plans outlining a systematic extermination program from German archives, arguing that alleged euphemisms or indirect references are unsupported and, thus, do not constitute evidence of genocide.

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	:: '''Misrepresentation''': Secondary sources have sometimes been found to misrepresent or selectively quote from primary documents, creating a narrative that leans towards the exterminationist view.		:: '''Misrepresentation''': Secondary sources have sometimes been found to misrepresent or selectively quote from primary documents, creating a narrative that leans towards the exterminationist view.

	: '''Authenticity and Context''': The authenticity, context, and provenance of documents are crucial. Revisionists often question documents presented post-war, suggesting they might have been manipulated or misinterpreted for political reasons.		:: '''Authenticity and Context''': The authenticity, context, and provenance of documents are crucial. Revisionists often question documents presented post-war, suggesting they might have been manipulated or misinterpreted for political reasons.

	: '''Consistency and Verification''': There's an emphasis on verifying documents against multiple sources, timelines, and physical evidence rather than accepting them at face value.		:: '''Consistency and Verification''': There's an emphasis on verifying documents against multiple sources, timelines, and physical evidence rather than accepting them at face value.

	: '''Legal and Propaganda Use''': It's pointed out that many documents were produced in the context of war crimes trials where defendants had little capacity to dispute evidence presented against them, possibly leading to coerced or exaggerated testimonies.		:: '''Legal and Propaganda Use''': It's pointed out that many documents were produced in the context of war crimes trials where defendants had little capacity to dispute evidence presented against them, possibly leading to coerced or exaggerated testimonies.

	=== The Population Conundrum ===		=== The Population Conundrum ===

Callafangers at 06:11, 16 January 2025

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	: '''Source Criticism''': Revisionists highlight the absence of any direct orders or detailed plans outlining a systematic extermination program from German archives, arguing that alleged euphemisms or indirect references are unsupported and do not constitute credible evidence of genocide.		: '''Source Criticism''': Revisionists highlight the absence of any direct orders or detailed plans outlining a systematic extermination program from German archives, arguing that alleged euphemisms or indirect references are unsupported and do not constitute credible evidence of genocide.

	: '''Lack of Direct Orders or Plans''': Revisionists highlight the absence of any direct orders or detailed plans outlining a systematic extermination program from German archives, arguing that alleged euphemisms or indirect references are unsupported and do not constitute evidence of genocide.		: '''Lack of Direct Orders or Plans''': Revisionists highlight the absence of any direct orders or detailed plans outlining a systematic extermination program from German archives, arguing that alleged euphemisms or indirect references are unsupported and, thus, do not constitute evidence of genocide.

	=== Source Criticism ===		=== Source Criticism ===
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	:: '''Misrepresentation''': Secondary sources have sometimes been found to misrepresent or selectively quote from primary documents, creating a narrative that leans towards the exterminationist view.		:: '''Misrepresentation''': Secondary sources have sometimes been found to misrepresent or selectively quote from primary documents, creating a narrative that leans towards the exterminationist view.

	:: '''Authenticity and Context''': The authenticity, context, and provenance of documents are crucial. Revisionists often question documents presented post-war, suggesting they might have been manipulated or misinterpreted for political reasons.		: '''Authenticity and Context''': The authenticity, context, and provenance of documents are crucial. Revisionists often question documents presented post-war, suggesting they might have been manipulated or misinterpreted for political reasons.

	:: '''Consistency and Verification''': There's an emphasis on verifying documents against multiple sources, timelines, and physical evidence rather than accepting them at face value.		: '''Consistency and Verification''': There's an emphasis on verifying documents against multiple sources, timelines, and physical evidence rather than accepting them at face value.

	:: '''Legal and Propaganda Use''': It's pointed out that many documents were produced in the context of war crimes trials where defendants had little capacity to dispute evidence presented against them, possibly leading to coerced or exaggerated testimonies.		: '''Legal and Propaganda Use''': It's pointed out that many documents were produced in the context of war crimes trials where defendants had little capacity to dispute evidence presented against them, possibly leading to coerced or exaggerated testimonies.

	=== The Population Conundrum ===		=== The Population Conundrum ===

	A key point of contention revolves around the post-war Jewish population:		Another key point of contention revolves around the post-war Jewish population:

	: '''Missing Jews''': While the exterminationist narrative posits millions of Jews were killed, revisionists highlight the significant number of Jews who reappeared post-war, challenging the narrative of mass extermination through gas chambers or other collective means of murder. They argue this population discrepancy must be accounted for, suggesting:		: '''Missing Jews''': While the exterminationist narrative posits millions of Jews were killed, revisionists highlight the significant number of Jews who reappeared post-war, challenging the narrative of mass extermination through gas chambers or other collective means of murder. They argue this population discrepancy must be accounted for, suggesting:

Callafangers at 00:00, 16 January 2025

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	Revisionists argue that the mainstream Holocaust narrative, referred to here as "exterminationism," relies on a tapestry of half-truths, exaggerations, and outright fabrications. This article delves into the tactics and strategies that are employed by supporters of the orthodox Holocaust narrative, offering ~~a detailed~~ examination of their arguments.		Revisionists argue that the mainstream Holocaust narrative, referred to here as "exterminationism," relies on a tapestry of half-truths, exaggerations, and outright fabrications. This article delves into the tactics and strategies that are employed by supporters of the orthodox Holocaust narrative, offering an examination of their arguments.

	== Understanding Exterminationist Tactics ==		== Understanding Exterminationist Tactics ==

Callafangers at 23:31, 15 January 2025

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	: '''Source Criticism''': Revisionists highlight the absence of any direct orders or detailed plans outlining a systematic extermination program from German archives, arguing that alleged euphemisms or indirect references are unsupported and do not constitute credible evidence of genocide.		: '''Source Criticism''': Revisionists highlight the absence of any direct orders or detailed plans outlining a systematic extermination program from German archives, arguing that alleged euphemisms or indirect references are unsupported and do not constitute credible evidence of genocide.

	: '''Lack of Direct Orders or Plans''': Revisionists highlight the absence of any direct orders or detailed plans outlining a systematic extermination program from German archives, arguing that alleged euphemisms or indirect references are unsupported and do not constitute ~~credible~~ evidence of genocide.		: '''Lack of Direct Orders or Plans''': Revisionists highlight the absence of any direct orders or detailed plans outlining a systematic extermination program from German archives, arguing that alleged euphemisms or indirect references are unsupported and do not constitute evidence of genocide.

	=== Source Criticism ===		=== Source Criticism ===

Callafangers at 23:27, 15 January 2025

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	:: '''Loss and Dispersion''': Many Jews indeed "lost" family members due to various causes of death both during and after the war, with others scattering into several dozen countries post-war, permanently losing contact and frequently assuming mutual 'extermination'.		:: '''Loss and Dispersion''': Many Jews indeed "lost" family members due to various causes of death both during and after the war, with others scattering into several dozen countries post-war, permanently losing contact and frequently assuming mutual 'extermination'.

	=== ~~Pogroms~~, Anti-Terrorism, or Genocide? ===		=== Reprisals, Anti-Terrorism, or Genocide? ===

	The narrative of systematic extermination is contrasted with:		The narrative of systematic extermination is contrasted with:

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	The narrative of systematic extermination is contrasted with:		The narrative of systematic extermination is contrasted with:

	: '''~~Pogroms~~ and Resistance''': Revisionists argue that deaths occurred, but often in the context of partisan resistance, anti-terrorist operations, or local reprisals rather than a widespread and state-sponsored extermination program.		: '''Reprisals and Resistance''': Revisionists argue that deaths occurred, but often in the context of partisan resistance, anti-terrorist operations, or local reprisals rather than a widespread and state-sponsored extermination program.

	: '''Civilians and Partisans''': Distinctions are made between combatant and non-combatant deaths, suggesting that the extermination narrative overstates military actions as genocidal acts.		: '''Civilians and Partisans''': Distinctions are made between combatant and non-combatant deaths, suggesting that the extermination narrative overstates military actions as genocidal acts.

Callafangers at 23:21, 15 January 2025

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 : '''Documentary Misuse''': Documents like the Wannsee Protocol and Luther's memo are interpreted by exterminationists as evidence of a systematic extermination plan, while revisionists argue these documents discuss resettlement and should not be interpreted as euphemisms for extermination without credible evidence for this claim.
 : '''Lack of Direct Orders or Plans''': Revisionists highlight the absence of any direct orders or detailed plans outlining a systematic extermination program from German archives, arguing that alleged euphemisms or indirect references are unsupported and do not constitute credible evidence of genocide.
 === The Population Conundrum ===