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Exterminationism

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Gleiwitz Sources

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	* [https://archive.org/details/alfred-naujocks-british-archive-record-documents Allied documents] concerning Alfred Naujocks after his capture, mostly his time in the British Camp 020 interrogation center 1944–45		* [https://archive.org/details/alfred-naujocks-british-archive-record-documents Allied documents] concerning Alfred Naujocks after his capture, mostly his time in the British Camp 020 interrogation center 1944–45. These were not declassified until the 2000's and are particularly damaging for Naujocks credibility. For instance, at this point he does not even know when the Gleiwitz incident actually took place - he believes it happened more than 2 weeks before the start of the war!

	* [https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=1642317#p1642317 Statements of Alfred Naujocks] at a ~~preliminary~~ hearing at the Nuremberg IMT questioned by Col. Howard A. Brundage, 12.10.1945		* [https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=1642317#p1642317 Statements of Alfred Naujocks] at a hearing at the Nuremberg IMT questioned by Col. Howard A. Brundage, 12.9.1945

	* [https://digital.library.cornell.edu/catalog/nur00673 Brief of Interrogation of Alfred Naujocks] by Lt. Colonel S. W. Brookhart, 2.11.1945		* [https://digital.library.cornell.edu/catalog/nur00673 Brief of Interrogation of Alfred Naujocks] by Lt. Colonel S. W. Brookhart, 2.11.1945

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	Exterminationists often downplay or dismiss scientific evidence that contradicts their narrative. For instance, studies like those conducted by Germar Rudolf on the presence of Prussian Blue (also known as iron-cyanide or FeCN) in Auschwitz contradict the gas chamber narrative. They demonstrate:		Exterminationists often downplay or dismiss scientific evidence that contradicts their narrative. For instance, studies like those conducted by Germar Rudolf on the presence of Prussian Blue (also known as iron-cyanide or FeCN) in Auschwitz contradict the gas chamber narrative. They demonstrate:

	: '''Absence of Prussian Blue''': The lack of significant FeCN levels or Prussian Blue staining in alleged gas chambers, as opposed to high levels in areas used for delousing, suggests that these rooms were not used for homicidal gassing. Revisionists ~~argue~~ this scientific evidence is often dismissed or rationalized away with explanations that appear contrived or devoid of empirical support.		: '''Absence of Prussian Blue''': The lack of significant FeCN levels (or Prussian Blue staining) in alleged gas chambers, as opposed to high levels in areas used for delousing, suggests that these rooms were not used for homicidal gassing. Revisionists have noted this scientific evidence is often dismissed or rationalized away with explanations that appear contrived or devoid of empirical support.

	: '''Selective Expertise''': ~~There's an accusation~~ that ~~only~~ expert opinions that align with the exterminationist view are given credence, while contributions from experts like Rudolf are marginalized or altogether ignored.		: '''Selective Expertise''': It is observed that expert opinions that align with the exterminationist view are given credence, while contributions from experts like Rudolf are marginalized or altogether ignored.

	=== The Role of Eyewitness Testimony ===		=== The Role of Eyewitness Testimony ===
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	: '''Inconsistencies and Falsifications''': Eyewitness testimonies are criticized for being rife with inconsistencies, exaggerations, and outright falsehoods (e.g., tales of Jews surviving multiple gassings, or elevators leading to ovens). Revisionists argue that these inaccuracies should call into question the reliability of such accounts.		: '''Inconsistencies and Falsifications''': Eyewitness testimonies are criticized for being rife with inconsistencies, exaggerations, and outright falsehoods (e.g., tales of Jews surviving multiple gassings, or elevators leading to ovens). Revisionists argue that these inaccuracies should call into question the reliability of such accounts.

	: '''Coercion and Motive''': It's suggested that testimonies might have been given under coercion or for motives like receiving benefits, gaining immigration or asylum, or as part of a broader narrative to demonize the Germans.		: '''Coercion and Motive''': It's suggested that testimonies might have been given under coercion or for motives like receiving benefits, gaining immigration or asylum, or as part of a broader narrative (and wartime propaganda) to demonize the Germans.

	=== Circular Reasoning and Logical Fallacies ===		=== Circular Reasoning and Logical Fallacies ===

	A common tactic, ~~according to~~ revisionists, is the use of circular reasoning where the Holocaust's occurrence is accepted a priori, and any evidence is then fitted to this predetermined conclusion:		A common tactic, per revisionists, is the use of circular reasoning where the Holocaust's occurrence is accepted a priori, and any evidence is then fitted to this predetermined conclusion:

	: '''Assuming the Conclusion''': For example, the claim that mass gassings happened, therefore, any evidence or interpretation must conform to this view, even if it contradicts scientific findings.		: '''Assuming the Conclusion''': For example, the claim that mass gassings happened, therefore, any evidence or interpretation must conform to this view, even if it contradicts scientific findings.
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	Documentary evidence is another battleground:		Documentary evidence is another battleground:

	: '''Documentary Misuse''': Documents like the Wannsee Protocol and Luther's memo are interpreted by exterminationists as evidence of a systematic extermination plan, while revisionists argue these documents discuss resettlement and should not be interpreted as euphemisms for extermination without credible evidence for this claim.		: '''Documentary Misuse''': Documents like the Wannsee Protocol and Luther's memo are interpreted by exterminationists as evidence of a systematic extermination plan (based on claimed "euphemisms"), while revisionists argue these documents discuss resettlement and should not be interpreted as euphemisms for extermination without credible evidence for this claim.

	: '''Lack of Direct Orders or Plans''': Revisionists highlight the absence of any direct orders or ~~detailed~~ plans outlining a systematic extermination program from German archives, arguing that alleged euphemisms or indirect references are unsupported and, thus, do not constitute evidence of genocide.		: '''Lack of Direct Orders or Plans''': Revisionists highlight the absence of any direct orders or specific plans outlining a systematic extermination program from German archives, arguing that alleged euphemisms or indirect references are unsupported and, thus, do not constitute evidence of genocide.

	=== Source Criticism ===		=== Source Criticism ===
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	: '''Primary vs. Secondary Sources''': Revisionists critique the heavy reliance on secondary sources that often echo earlier unverified claims, advocating instead for a focus on primary documents. They argue:		: '''Primary vs. Secondary Sources''': Revisionists critique the heavy reliance on secondary sources that often echo earlier unverified claims, advocating instead for a focus on primary documents. They argue:

	:: '''Misrepresentation''': Secondary sources have ~~sometimes~~ been found to misrepresent or selectively quote from primary documents, creating a narrative that leans towards the exterminationist view.		:: '''Misrepresentation''': Secondary sources have often been found to misrepresent or selectively quote from primary documents, creating a narrative that leans towards the exterminationist view.

	:: '''Authenticity and Context''': The authenticity, context, and provenance of documents are crucial. Revisionists often question documents presented post-war, suggesting they might have been manipulated or misinterpreted for political reasons.		:: '''Authenticity and Context''': The authenticity, context, and provenance of documents are crucial. Revisionists often question documents presented post-war, suggesting they might have been manipulated or misinterpreted for political reasons.
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	: '''Reprisals and Resistance''': Revisionists argue that deaths occurred, but often in the context of partisan resistance, anti-terrorist operations, or local reprisals rather than a widespread and state-sponsored extermination program.		: '''Reprisals and Resistance''': Revisionists argue that deaths occurred, but often in the context of partisan resistance, anti-terrorist operations, or local reprisals rather than a widespread and state-sponsored extermination program.

	: '''Civilians and Partisans''': Distinctions are made between combatant and non-combatant deaths, suggesting that the extermination narrative overstates military actions as genocidal acts.		: '''Civilians and Partisans''': Distinctions are made between combatant and non-combatant deaths (also accounting for partisan reprisals), suggesting that the extermination narrative overstates military actions as genocidal acts.

	=== Concluding Thoughts ===		=== Concluding Thoughts ===

	The revisionist perspective posits that the orthodox Holocaust narrative uses a combination of flawed scientific interpretations, unreliable or coerced testimonies, and logical fallacies to construct an unassailable narrative. They argue for a re-examination of the evidence with an open mind, advocating for:		The revisionist perspective posits that the orthodox Holocaust narrative uses a combination of flawed scientific interpretations, unreliable or coerced testimonies, and logical fallacies to construct an 'unassailable' narrative. They argue for a re-examination of the evidence with an open mind, advocating for:

	: '''Forensic Reassessment''': More attention to physical and chemical evidence from camps, promoting independent scientific verification.		: '''Forensic Reassessment''': More attention to physical and chemical evidence from camps, promoting independent scientific verification.
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	: '''Transparency in Historiography''': Encouraging a dialogue that includes all voices and evidence, even those that challenge deeply held beliefs or narratives.		: '''Transparency in Historiography''': Encouraging a dialogue that includes all voices and evidence, even those that challenge deeply held beliefs or narratives.

	For revisionists, the debate isn't about denying the suffering of WWII but about challenging what they ~~believe to be~~ an overly simplified, politicized version of historical events. They seek to replace "exterminationist tactics" with a search for truth, unvarnished by ideology or political expediency.		For revisionists, the debate isn't about denying the suffering of WWII but about challenging what they see as an overly simplified, politicized version of historical events. They seek to replace "exterminationist tactics" with a search for truth, unvarnished by ideology or political expediency.

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